Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Question For O8 Players

Would you play this hand differently, and if so, how? This is from a 1-table SNG but we can pretend it's the first level of an O8 MTT.

PokerStars Game #25288478915: Tournament #143208169, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/02/23 22:56:23 ET
Table '143208169 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: skpersian (1260 in chips)
Seat 2: kaymarx (1460 in chips)
Seat 3: mclarich (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: srgra (2080 in chips)
Seat 5: patches068 (1970 in chips)
Seat 7: jmurphy69 (1960 in chips)
Seat 8: NeedsaJet (1380 in chips)
Seat 9: dbird_33 (1870 in chips)
NeedsaJet: posts small blind 10
dbird_33: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mclarich [2h 3d 3s As]
skpersian: folds
kaymarx: calls 20
mclarich: raises 40 to 60
srgra: calls 60
patches068: folds
jmurphy69: folds
NeedsaJet: calls 50
dbird_33: calls 40
kaymarx: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [6d Ts 4c]
NeedsaJet: checks
dbird_33: checks
kaymarx: checks
mclarich: checks
srgra: bets 100
NeedsaJet: calls 100
dbird_33: calls 100
kaymarx: folds
mclarich: calls 100
*** TURN *** [6d Ts 4c] [2s]
NeedsaJet: bets 140
dbird_33: calls 140
mclarich: calls 140
srgra: calls 140
*** RIVER *** [6d Ts 4c 2s] [Kh]
NeedsaJet: bets 200
dbird_33: folds
mclarich: calls 200
srgra: calls 200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NeedsaJet: shows [2c 9d Ad 5c] (HI: a pair of Deuces; LO: 6,5,4,2,A)
mclarich: shows [2h 3d 3s As] (HI: a pair of Threes; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
srgra: shows [Jc Tc Th 6s] (HI: three of a kind, Tens)
srgra collected 930 from pot
mclarich collected 930 from pot

Preflop: I'm OOP but with a sooted Ace and two draws for a low, I raise to build a pot in case the flop comes low. In the early stages of these games, hardly anyone is folding to small PF raises, even with really bad O8 hands.

Flop: I'm still drawing to a made low, but OOP I don't want to A) force anyone out with an unmade low or B) position myself to face a raise OOP.

Turn: I've made my low with a draw to the nut flush, but I'm at best only chopping the pot, at worst quartering it vs a high hand vs another low (although the fact that I have two of the 3's make that less likely)

River: Still only chopping the pot at best.

Considering the draw I have on the turn + a made low, would anyone raise instead of just calling at any point? Obviously if I knew what each person in front of me was betting with I would raise, or if I had been more conscious of the fact that I had two of the threes needed for the nut low. O8 is just so much easier for me when I'm in position.


At February 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Blogger Fuel55 said...

I am raising the turn for sure with made low and nut flush draw. Maybe you get rid of one fish?

River is fine.

At February 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Blogger BWoP said...

I think the pre-flop raise is fine. I think I would have raised the turn because you picked up a nut high draw and have a low that is less likely to be chopped because you are holding 3-3. With four players in the pot after the turn, you're hopefully getting a few crap lows to come along for the ride as well as building a pot if you hit the flush. I think the river call is fine. When you are down to three-handed and you have no high hand, you need the third person in the pot in order for you to make any $$ on that street.

At February 25, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Blogger Heffmike said...

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At February 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Blogger Heffmike said...

way good to me.

A spite turn minraise would be sweet, because everyone else probably comes along, and in a four way pot, unless there are three A3xx hands out there, you are basically freerolling in case you spike your high hand - and making the stubborn second best hands put more chips, i.e. your profit, in the pot.

Pretty weak river call by the set of tens. Neither one of you are acting like you are slowplaying 35xx, the river K only helps a KKxx hand, all draws wiffed, so he probably should be raising for value.

At March 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Blogger Shrike said...

I raise the turn for reasons stated above by other commentators.



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